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Post Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:51 am   Shell rot/White fungi

Hello all. I am currenly living in VT right now working. my tutrle has been at my paernts house. The setup is good but i am lookng for a bigger tank(I have a 55). ( I have a Rena 4, staelth heater, two lights, ABTB, thermo, etc.)

I notice this discolor and white today while i was cleaning the tank. It looks like Calcium build up in one spot. i looked on this website for help but could'nt find any old fourms. i have some pictures of what it looks like.

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Thanks for any help. I am just wondering the next step i.e. meds/vet
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Post Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:26 pm   

It looks like the scute in question has been chipped and looks like it has some fungal growth.
Is the spot soft at all or is it smelly? And can you gently rub the white off with a QTip? If it were calcium buildup I'd expect it to be more uniform on the shell.
Can you post some dry pictures and some pictures of your set up?
Shell rot can be treated easily with SSD cream from a vet so it's not a huge expense to take care of, but you have to figure out what encouraged the situation to begin with and remedy things so the turtle can keep its' shell healthy.
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Post Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:46 pm   

Here are some more pics of the shell and my setup. i tryed to gently rumb his shell with a q tip but no luck. it dosent stink either

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Post Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:36 pm   

I agree with Meg that it looks fungusy, may be bacteria involved as well. It also looks like he's having difficulty shedding old scutes (the top layer of shell is supposed to shed off from time to time). Water gets trapped under the old scutes and makes a good home for fungus and bacteria.

what does the plastron look like?

See if you can get some SSD cream (silver sulfadiazine) from the vet. Also get some Hibiclense (over the counter at places like Walgreens). Hibiclense is a hand wash for people that contains a very good antiseptic. You'll need at least daily washes (and rinses) with Hibiclens followed by applications of the cream on the infected areas and lots of dry docking. One way to do this would be to do the wash and cream at night, then dry dock him overnight in a safe, warm place with towels to make it soft.

If I were you, I'd have a good herp vet take a look at the shell. A vet may want to give antibiotics. I just don't know. I tend to be conservative where turtle health is concerned but I'd take mine in with a shell like that.

To encourage those old scutes to come off, add foods containing vitamin e to his diet. Here's a list:

Tomato
Sweet potato
Turnip greens
Blueberries
Apple skin

Most turtles especially love blueberries and steamed sweet potato.

Things to check to determine why the fungus: (1) Shells must dry out comletely - top and bottom. Does he bask much? Does the green carpeting in the ATBA stay dry or does it get wet and stay that way? (2) Turtles have to bask under good UVB light. What brand and strength of bulb do you use? When was it last changed? (3) Water must be clean. If you're using a good Rena filter and maintaining it properly, water quality is probably ok, but have you tested water for ammonia and nitrites?

Just so you know, my turtle at one time had a really bad shell condition, more dramatic looking that yours. Whatever a turtle keeper can do wrong - I was doing it. It's a miracle he lived. But after being treated as described above and having his habitat and diet corrected, he shed off all the damaged shell and looks great today. So stick with it!

By the way, if you wind up at a vet's, don't let the vet give your turtle a shot of vitamin a without giving you a really good reason for it. If there is a vitamin a deficiency it can usually be corrected with cod liver oil and diet upgrades. The shots are tricky and many turtles on here have had very bad reactions to them, including death. Some vets seem to give the shots as a matter of routine, which is why I mention it to you.
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Post Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:46 pm   

It's hard to say... it looks slightly different from the type of fungus I've seen and it doesn't have a noticeable dithered edge. Some of it looks like rot or another type of infection. Does the shell look deteriorated where there is white?
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:03 am   

Wow thanks guys alot of good info. i havent been around lately so i donno if he is basking as much as he was. (i been away 5 weeks and i am currenly looking for a apartment in VT so i can bring him up.) the green carpet is usually dry. and there are holes under it so if there is any water on the shelf it can drain off. i have a 5.0 repti glo light and a 75 watt bulb. i last changed it prob in late AUG. every chance i get i usually spot clean the tank and clean the filter out.

i have not tested the water for ammonia and nitrtes and i dont really know how to

the shell does look deteriorated i would say.

i think i am going to try to get to a vet asap.

but i think in the mean time i will dry dock him and hopfully find a vet tomar and get him in.

thank you so much for all the info
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:25 am   

Sounds like a very good plan.

Don't feel bad about the situation. These conditions develop very slowly over a very long time. It's quite possible it was underway before you even got him. They are also very slow to heal, so prepare to be patient.

You can get kits to test water quality at pet stores in the fish section or on-line. A good one is the Master Fresh Water Test Kit by Aquarium Pharmeceuticals. All the instructions for the test and interpreting results are enclosed. The kit contains solution for dozens of tests so it will last you a long time.
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:03 am   

ok cool
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:15 pm   

i am going to the vet tomar at 5. thanks for all the help
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:04 pm   

its fungi. i am applying loation/cream/oil stuff to him 2 times a day. and dry docking him durning that time. you guys rock thanks for helping out.
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