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Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:24 pm   First Time Filter Buyer

I am in the process of upgrading my turtle set up from a small 20 gallon tank to a more spacious 55 gallon and I need to buy my first filter. I have 2 RES that are still small (approx 2 inches) and this is not their final home, I hope one day to have a 100 gallon+ tank for them. From reading the posts I know I should buy as big as a filter as i can afford so I don't have to upgrade down the line but since my turtles are still really small it will probably be a few years before i put them in their final home and I'm sure filters will have improved by then.

Any recommendations for the type of filter I should get? I am also really confused by all the talk of media that you have to put in the filter, what exactly does that mean?
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:08 pm   

I would say go with the Rena Filstar XP3.
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:40 pm   

the media is the stuff you put in the filter that does the actual filtering of the water. mechanical, biological, and chemical.
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:28 pm   

hon-6 You need to go by the gph that a filter pumps puts out. You should get one that put out at least 5 time the water volume that you have in your tank. For a 55 gallon tank you can use a 300 to 350gph and that willd do well. I use a Marinland 350 and a Fulval 405 and they do fine. It is your choice just keep the gph at the 5x level. M.
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Post Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:52 pm   

honeeb6,

The most popular choice for a type of filter for a large turtle tank is a "canister filter". These are external to your tank and maintenance is usually easier as a result. It also provides your turtle with the maximum amount of swimming area since it doesn't take up space in the tank. The actual brand and model can be somewhat of a "religious" discussion as everyone seems to have their own favorite.

From many of the posts that I have read, for a 55 gallon tank, the RENA XP3 is an excellent choice for the money (about $100-$150), but Eheim, Fluval, & others also make good quality filters of equal capacity.

When you upgrade to a larger tank later, you could then simply add another similar filter, which would give you the needed effective filtering capacity along with some redundancy. You may want to consider doing the same with heaters (2 smaller rather than one large).

If money is not an issue now and you think that you will definately be upgrading to a larger tank in the foreseeable future, then the Fluval FX5 is probably the best way to go. They have several advantages over less expensive filters but can still be had for a reasonable cost (about $200 online). Again, there are other brands that will do a similar job, the FX5 just seems to have developed a very good reputation in these here parts :-)

Finally, be aware that canister filters (as with other types of filters) require different media (a.k.a. inserts such as foam, carbon, "rings"&"stars", etc) installed inside them to do their job. The media needs to be replaced on a routine basis to ensure proper filtering. So, to be clear, after your initial filter purchase, you will need to purchase new media (inserts) and replace the existing media in the filter on a regular basis.

As Daniel3507 indicated, there is different types of filtration that need to take place. Foam filters typically provide mechanical filtration (for larger particles), while carbon provides mechanical filtration (for smaller particles) along with some capacity for biological filtration as beneficial bacteria form along the surface of the carbon. Ceramic "rings&stars" provide a great deal of surface area while still allowing strong water flow. This provides a great place for beneficial bacteria to grow and provide a significant source of biological filtering.

I personally am a big believer in having more than one filter on an aquarium or turtle tank (i.e. two small/med filters vs. one large) simply because of the importance of biological filteration. With two filters, you can alternate media changes and not significantly (if at all) impact water quality.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:08 am   

Well put FuzzyHamster.

I think the Fluval FX5 would be a bit too strong for a 55 gal with the small turtles. It might create too strong of a current that they would be struggling.
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:58 pm   

yeah i think i am going to go with the XP3 and then just add another filter to the tank in the future.

Thanks for explaining about the media Fuzzy Hamster it makes more sense. What are the basic components that I would need to buy to filter the water mechanically, biologically, and chemically?
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:20 pm   

Mechanical: Foam pads. I use Fluval Prefilter blocks as well as a foam pad.

Biological: Fluval Biomax, Rena Biostars, Rena's ceramic rings, or Lava rock.

Chemically: IMO the "optional" stage of filtration. Carbon packets or loose carbon, Zeolite, ammonia Neutralizers etc.
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:48 pm   

Yea...what Chris said....

I would add that if everything in your tank is functioning properly, especially the mechanical & biological filtration, then you should not need to worry about ammonia. Sometimes, when you perform a large water change or change more than one type of media at a time, it is possisble to see an ammonia spike (as is typical about 2 weeks after setting up a new tank) but it would normally dissipate on its own.

Also, I always add carbon packets to my filter setups, although I've heard that Zeolite is very good too. I believe that it plays a part in every type of filtration and really helps to keep your water as clear as possible. As I said earlier, everybody has their own personal preferences; this is one of mine - your milage may vary....etc.
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:44 pm   

Yep carbon works, it keeps water smell down and takes out impurities. The water in my tank doesn't smell though, so I don't use carbon often. Every once in a while I put some in for a fresh burst,

It does "expire" rather quickly though and should be replaced every few weeks, otherwise the carbon will leach out all the impurites and other stuff that it originally collected.

Also, ammonia isn't such a problem for turtles, as it is for fish rather than an irritant.
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