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Post Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:41 pm   Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

I know that turtles and tortoises shouldn't live together, however, my turtle and tortoise have been living together for almost a year and nothing ever happened. They never got sick, not that I know of, and they never acted violent on each other... actually, they are always together and seem to get along just fine.
However, they started acting strange. My 3 year old male turtle started trying to mate with the tortoise by shacking his arms to which the tortoise replies by bobbing her head and then walking away. I read online that when a tortoise bobs her head it means that it wants to fight, though, like I said, they never acted violent. I don't know what to do. Should I separate them?
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:39 am   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

I would think so. I have no idea how you have your habitat setup, but you will likely have to make some changes. RES also don't mate out of water, but they can still be aggressive.
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:03 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

I have their habitat in a way that they can be both inside or out of the water whenever they want. The tank is mostly water but has a large rock where they go to get some sun, i used to have 2 rocks inside the tank but still, they would go together to the same one.
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:20 am   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

If he's becoming increasingly territorial, then you need to speed up separation plans.
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:42 am   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

I don´t know much about turtles or tortoises, but in my case, she is much more likely to become territorial than him. He already lived with other turtles, males and females, and was never agressive, however, when I adopted her she was already adult... What I'm trying to say is that I know him much better than I know her.
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:45 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

Tortoises need a lot more land area than a rock island. Like Steve said, please separate them--your tortoise will be a lot more comfortable.
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:55 am   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

She doesn't seem to need much space, she's always in that rock... the only time she goes to the water is to eat. And yes, I already separated them, my turtoise atackted my turtle... also since I separated them, she- the tortoise- refuses to eat... Really don't know what to do....
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:19 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

She's probably not eating because she's in a new environment. I've never heard of tortoises eating in the water, and the reason she never left the rock is because they're terrestrial animals. She had nowhere else to go that felt safe. The only reason she resorted to eating in the water is because she didn't have much of a choice (unless you offered her food on her rock).

Anyway, you might want to try posting in the Box Turtle and Tortoise forum (further down on the index page). There, members with tortoise experience can give you more specific advice. You may also want to try the Tortoise Forum website. I apologize for advertising another forum here, but it sounds like your tortoise and her enclosure may need more help than we of the aquatic community feel comfortable giving. (Unless some of our tortoise-keeping members stumble upon this thread).

Also, some setup/animal pictures would be very helpful. You will need Photobucket; look under Steve's signature for the instructions.
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:55 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

??? Tortoises don't eat on water??? What?? I don't even know what to feed her right now... should I keep giving her the same kind of food that I give to the turtle?? And since she's terrestrial (I did not know that) should I remove the water from the aquarium?? Don't they like to swim?? Also thank you so much Jeremiah, you made me realise I was being a terrible owner... though, I didn't mean to... Here are 2 photos of when they were still together: http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo20 ... 2mtaxa.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
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Post Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:32 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

Tortoises do need to drink water/soak themselves in shallow water on occasion, but they shouldn't live in it. Thankfully, you don't have to worry about that because you don't have a tortoise!

It looks like you have two turtles (not tortoises): The one to the right in your picture looks like a Reeve's turtle (Mauremys reevesii), and the one on the left looks like a Florida red-bellied cooter (Pseudemys nelsoni). They occupy completely different environments. Cooters like deep water, whereas Reeve's turtles like shallow water. The turtle that was staying on the basking area, if it was the Reeve's, may have been uncomfortable with the water depth in your tank. Which one did you think was a tortoise?

I doubt you want to read a long-winded post, so I recommend you Google each of the names above, and find some quality caresheets (i.e., Austin's Turtle Page, Chelonian Trust, etc.) Even turtlesource [not reputable] will give you some decent background information. I will, however, give you some basic ideas to start with (assuming I identified the turtles correctly):

1) Florida red-bellied cooters are largely herbivorous. You should begin to offer more greens to yours (i.e., red and green leaf lettuce). For more ideas, check out the "Nutrition" page on our main website. Avoid spinach and anything in the broccoli family (mustard, kale, cauliflower, etc.) Water and basking temperatures are pretty similar to RES. They also get huge, especially females, so you should consider getting a large stock tank (at least 150 gallons) for it.

2) Reeve's turtles prefer shallower water; around 6-8" with many easy-to-access haul-out areas. For an enclosure, your best bet is a 40 gallon breeder tank with the depth of water I just stated. Try to keep the water on the upper end of 75-80F, basking spot around 90F. They do well on a diet similar to RES--pellets balanced with aquatic plants and greens. Again, avoid spinach and broccoli-related vegetables.

3) Depending on how much water your enclosure holds, I recommend a good canister filter (Odyssea if you're on a budget, Fluval if you're not) rated for 2-3 times your volume. For instance, if you fill a 150 gallon stock tank with 125 gallons of water, you'll be looking for a canister that is rated for 250-375 gallon tanks. Please note that gallon "rating" like I just mentioned is different from "gallons per hour". Always go by the rating!

That being said, the Reeve's doesn't take too much water, and I've heard that many hobbyists keep them successfully with filters like the Tetra Whisper series (go no smaller than the 40i). People usually replace the carbon in the filter pouch with ceramic rings. Personally, if I had a Reeve's, I would use a 40i in conjunction with the 20i with 8 inches of water. This setup should do fine, especially with regular water changes (which we should all do, no matter what kind of filters we have). Again, this is for the Reeve's--not the cooter.


If anybody notices that I mis-identified or otherwise screwed up the above information, please correct me! You don't even have to do so politely. :D
Seriously, though, I haven't owned either species, but have researched them extensively in the past--as both were turtles I had considered purchasing at one point. So if current practices are different than before, please enlighten us!

Don't beat yourself up over this, agnes_silver--if you were a bad owner, then you wouldn't have bothered asking for help!
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Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:23 am   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

The one I thought it was a tortoise was the "Reeve's turtle" and she's the one whose always on the rock, I never putt to much water in the tank because my turtle, the Florida red-bellied cooter, looks like he can't swim.... basically he's really heavy.... Also thanks for all that info, I really don't know much about turtle tanks or filters ( I don't even know of how many gallons my tank is!) and there aren't much pet shops were I live and usually the people that work in those shops know nothing about turtle... as you can see they told me my turtle was a tortoise and that my male turtle was a female... so that info really helps.
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Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:21 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

Happy to help! Sounds like the Reeve's wanted shallower water. If the water in your original tank wasn't deep enough for the cooter, try helping it gradually adjust to deeper levels of water over time. It should learn quickly, as they're actually great swimmers. Anyway, the most important thing is getting them into cleaner water and bigger enclosures. Like I said, a 40 breeder works well for the Reeve's and a rubber stock tank works for the cooter. You can find both on Craigslist for good prices.
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Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:41 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

Ok. Thanks.
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Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:52 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

No problem. Don't forget the filters!
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Post Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:27 pm   Re: Turtle and Tortoise acting strange.

Was that a joke? or...
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