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Post Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:00 pm   Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

Hello, first post here, and a newbie at keeping shelled pets, so please forgive any stupid questions!

We got two yellow bellied sliders last week (having spent some time reading up about their care, and being fairly sure we knew what we were letting ourselves in for), and are very happy with them so far. My wife and I have a soft spot for them, as when we were engaged, we used to go to what is now Tropical World in Roundhay Park in Leeds (North West UK) (used to be known as the old Victorian greenhouse in those days, and was much smaller, but if you look at the 3rd picture down on that web page, you'll some of the red eared sliders that we used to visit) and sit by the terrapin pond. We got very fond of them (as well as each other!), and have long had the idea of having some of our own. It just took us a long time to get around to it!

As we are hugely unimaginative, we called them Yertle and Mack, mainly because their characters really suited the two characters. Just on the offchance there is anyone reading who doesn't know who they were, read the story of Yertle The Turtle by Dr Seuss (which is much better with the pictures), and you'll see :)

They are each about 1.5" from the front of the shell to the back of it, housed in a 54l tank, with a sand substrate, half full of water, loads of rocks around the back and left (protecting the filter and heater, as well as supplying basking areas) and a couple of plastic plants...

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If you look closely, you can just see Mack's head poking up above the water to the left of the leftmost rock. Just so Yertle doesn't feel left out, here is a picture of him/her...

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(I'm not sure if they have fixed up their wireless connection yet, so they may not be able to read this post. Don't want to upset them if they do though!)

The rocks in the back right-hand corner are built in front of the filter, and there is another rock on top of it, hiding the actual filter, but allowing the water to flow through a gap underneath, which looks quite natural...

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I set the heater temperature to 24degs, although the thermometer tends to show around 25-26degs. For light, we have a Repti-Glo 5.0 UVB fitted in the tank hood.

So, after that ramble, I guess the first question is, does anyone have any comments on what we've done so far? We want to give them the best home we can, so if you have any suggestions, please feel free.

Next thing is feeding. When we got them, we bought some frozen reptile food, which contains bloodworms, lettuce, fish, beefheart, gammerus (I think that’s what it was called, either way it all looks positively revolting), and were told that we should also get some pellets, which they had run out of, but are getting more in this week.

A lot of people seem to recommend feeding them in a separate container, which we do. We put the food in it, add about 1" of tank water, then gently lift the two of them out of the tank and put them in the container. We usually put this on the table so we can watch them eating. We feed them at breakfast and lunch time, which amuses the children no end!

When we first tried feeding them, the only thing they would eat were bloodworms, and ignored anything else in the mix. They seem to be less fussy now, and will eat all the frozen bugs we've tried, which (apart from the mix) are plain bloodworms and also mysis (we have a separate tropical fish tank, and had these in already as treats for the fish). We give them a quarter of a cube per meal, so they end up with about half a cube each per day. This fits with the general rule of giving them a volume roughly equal to their head. Now they've settled down, they tend to eat pretty much the lot. Sometimes leave a little, but not much.

We tried them on vegetables, but so far haven't found anything they will touch. We tried the soft inside bits of cucumber, but that was ignored. We tried a dandelion leaf from the garden (carefully washed), but they ignored that too. Should they be eating their greens? I told them they wouldn't get afters if they didn't eat their greens, but they didn't listen!

Is this a good feeding regime? We want them to grow and be healthy, so again, any tips would be welcome.

One of the reason given for feeding them in a separate container was to reduce the pollution in the tank. We read that they tend to do their business within around 15 minutes of feeding. I can't say we've ever noticed this, as the water is usually pretty clear when we take them out. Not only that, but when they were in the feeding container yesterday, I tried moving the plants, and found loads of turtle poo under the big one (which is where they like to hang out a lot of the time). Looks like they wait until they get back into the tank before doing anything. Can't say I blame them, I wouldn't like a giggling audience when I went to be excused!

Is there anything we can do to encourage them to do their mess in the container? Given that we take out tank water twice a day when we feed them, I'm not too worried about the water quality, as it's being changed regularly enough, but the sand isn't as easy to clean as gravel (which we have in the fish tank), and it shows the muck much more clearly.

Finally (you'll be glad to know!), I was wondering if there is a way to keep the glass clear above the waterline. I wiped it down before taking the pictures above, so you can see in without problem, but normally, the glass is fairly heavily covered with condensed water. This isn't surprising, as the air inside is quite warm (you can feel the warm damp air when you open the flap on the tank lid), but it makes it hard to see the upper half of the tank.

Any suggestions?

Sorry for such a long post, but we're really happy with our new friends, and want to make sure we're doing the best for them. I also got carried away typing!

Anyway, any comments or suggestions would be very welcome. If there's anything I forgot to include, feel free to ask.

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:45 pm   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

P.S. Just ordered some Hikari Turtle Sticks, and will be including those in the diet. We were thinking of giving the frozen stuff for breakfast and the sticks for lunch. Any comments? Thanks again.
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:01 pm   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

Welcome to the forum! It looks like you're off to a good start. Have they been consistently basking and eating? Despite what you set the thermostat at, please always check with a thermometer.

The sand and plants look very nice. I would double check the rocks you have in the tank... turtles like to hide and squeeze into impossible areas. As they get bigger, you'll want more room for them anyway.

I don't have a hood, and I think most turtle keepers don't have a full canopy either, so I would make sure it's not too humid in there.

I'd only feed them in a separate container when it's something messy. Some RES don't mind being handled, some hate it. I'm not sure how much you're feeding but people have a tendency to over do it. Review our guidelines and be a little more conservative.

You can try thin slices of carrots. You can also use aquatic plants and leave it in there if your turtles don't want to eat it. Veggie clips work well for me, I'd try those too (it's a plastic clip with a suction cup to hold leaves in place).

I don't know if you can encourage them to poop without stressing them out, but some like to poop right after a meal, sometimes its random. I suppose it'll be different with each turtle.

I usually offer veggies in the morning and few pellets at night. They will be more efficient at digesting while they bask.
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:11 pm   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

I love the story behind your turtles! If you look on the top of the forum there are inks to care of the turtles. There is so much great information there. It is nicely organized diet etc. That is where I would start and if there is anything you are unsure of feel free to ask. I am new too to turtles and this forum has been a blessing. Your tank looks great! Welcome
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:11 pm   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

I love the story behind your turtles! If you look on the top of the forum there are inks to care of the turtles. There is so much great information there. It is nicely organized diet etc. That is where I would start and if there is anything you are unsure of feel free to ask. I am new too to turtles and this forum has been a blessing. Your tank looks great! Welcome
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:45 am   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

steve wrote:Welcome to the forum! It looks like you're off to a good start. Have they been consistently basking and eating?

Yup, they eat whatever I give fairly quickly. They seem to spend about twice as much time in the water as they do basking. Haven't measured it precisely, that's just a guess, but we see them most in the water, but a fair amount of time on the rocks. What should they be doing?

steve wrote:Despite what you set the thermostat at, please always check with a thermometer.

I mentioned in my post that I have a thermometer, which shows around 25-26degs. Is that OK?

steve wrote:The sand and plants look very nice. I would double check the rocks you have in the tank... turtles like to hide and squeeze into impossible areas. As they get bigger, you'll want more room for them anyway.

Hee hee, I discovered their skills at finding places I had missed! Since that pic was taken, I've blocked up a few holes, and I'm now pretty sure they can't get anywhere that will cause them (or me) problems. Keeping a careful eye out though.

steve wrote:I don't have a hood, and I think most turtle keepers don't have a full canopy either, so I would make sure it's not too humid in there.

What is "too" humid? It does seem quite humid in there, but I don't know what is optimal for them. I don't really want to remove the lid altogether, partly because of keeping little fingers out, and partly because the light is fitted inside the lid, but it does have a flap you can open to feed the inhabitants, so I could open that which would probably reduce the humidity. I'm wary of reducing the air temperature though, I thought they like warm air?

steve wrote:I'd only feed them in a separate container when it's something messy. Some RES don't mind being handled, some hate it.

They don't seem to mind too much, but them I'm a lot bigger than them, so it's hard for them to object!

Most of their food so far has been the frozen turtle food, which is quite messy when it is thawed, as it is mostly little bits. I'm trying to keep their tank clean. If it doesn't bother them, I'll stick with the container, as this provides great amusement for the family, and keeps the tank clean. I can also see easily how much they eat.

steve wrote:I'm not sure how much you're feeding but people have a tendency to over do it. Review our guidelines and be a little more conservative.

The guidelines suggested about a head volume each per day. I think I'm doing that. They get half a cube of the frozen stuff, which may be slightly less, but not much. I've got some Hikari turtle sticks on their way, so when they arrive I'll probably reduce the frozen stuff a little to compensate.

steve wrote:You can try thin slices of carrots. You can also use aquatic plants and leave it in there if your turtles don't want to eat it. Veggie clips work well for me, I'd try those too (it's a plastic clip with a suction cup to hold leaves in place).

Do the carrots need cooking, or can they eat them raw? I tried a dandelion leaf, but they didn't even look at it. Should I have chopped it, or blanched it?

steve wrote:I don't know if you can encourage them to poop without stressing them out, but some like to poop right after a meal, sometimes its random. I suppose it'll be different with each turtle.

I'm not too worried about it. They seem to like to do that whilst hiding inside the larger plant, so it keeps the mess in one place. I can give a quick clean while they're in the feeding container, so it doesn't disturb them.

steve wrote:I usually offer veggies in the morning and few pellets at night. They will be more efficient at digesting while they bask.

Thanks, that's good advice. We've been feeding at breakfast and lunchtime. With the fish, we avoid feeding them in the evening, as apparently this is not so good for their digestion. I assumed the same would be true for Yurtle and Mack.

Thanks again for the reply, and all the great comments. Please feel free to offer any more!
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:46 am   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

TortsNTurtles wrote:I love the story behind your turtles! If you look on the top of the forum there are inks to care of the turtles. There is so much great information there. It is nicely organized diet etc. That is where I would start and if there is anything you are unsure of feel free to ask. I am new too to turtles and this forum has been a blessing. Your tank looks great! Welcome

Thanks for the kind words. I read the care info, but wanted to make sure I was doing it right.
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:45 pm   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

Your set up is looking nice. As for feeding I would feed more pellets and blood worms and such as more of a treat. Veggies can take a while. Your doing the most important thing you can do for your new friends. Asking questions. I only have two, and I might have missed it.What kind of filter are you using? Do you have a basking or heat bulb?
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:09 pm   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

I think it would be best for them if you opened the lid and reduce the humidity. Don't worry, it shouldn't reduce the air temperature too much.
Very nice setup and turts, not to mention the story behind the curtain! :)
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:22 am   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

Kansasslider wrote:Your set up is looking nice. As for feeding I would feed more pellets and blood worms and such as more of a treat. Veggies can take a while.

I have ordered some haiku reptile sticks, which were dispatched yesterday, so will hopefully be here in the next day or so. I was thinking of given frozen stuff for breakfast, and sticks for lunch. Any comments?

I gave them some thinly sliced carrot just before, and they are having a good go at it. Might try some other things as well, see how they go down.

Kansasslider wrote:Your doing the most important thing you can do for your new friends. Asking questions. I only have two, and I might have missed it.What kind of filter are you using? Do you have a basking or heat bulb?

The filter is an Ehim 2008, and the bulb is a Repti-glo 5.0 UVB. That's what the local shop recommended. Any comments on those?

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:24 am   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

xcristina wrote:I think it would be best for them if you opened the lid and reduce the humidity. Don't worry, it shouldn't reduce the air temperature too much.

I have removed the feeding flap from the lid, which gives a gap of about 6" x 3" and this has reduced the condensation almost to zero. The air temperature feels pleasantly warm, just not so sweaty!

xcristina wrote:Very nice setup and turts, not to mention the story behind the curtain! :)

Thanks :)
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:34 pm   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

The filter and bulb are fine. But they need a heat light. A regular light bulb works fine. You want the basking rock temp to be in the 90s. Uvb lights don't put out heat. Turtles regulate their body temp by basking in the heat light. Or in the wild the sun.
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Post Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:59 pm   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

I dont know how to use this site and just found RES in our backyard, we live in a city so I am thinking someone chucked it over our fence? What do I do?
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Post Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:10 am   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

How big is the turtle? Any noticeable injuries?
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Post Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:59 am   Re: Just got our first YBSs, and have a few questions

He is like 6 inches and has a little chip on the side but that may have been there, he travels a lot, we brought him inside last night because it was breezy. He walked from our backyard through the front yard and then stopped under our truck, maybe because it was warm uneer there? We poy him in a tub that has water onnone side then dirt wnd a rock on the other with a heat lamo and got him some food from petsmart
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