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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:42 am   Weedwhacker victim

when picking up filters from a momnpop shop for my turtle tank, i saw a sickly looking red eared slider hatchling. when inquiring about him the store owner told me it was brought in wild bred after being accidentally hit by a weed whacker. he'd been there 3-4weeks already. i asked how much for him and he gave the little hatchling to me for free since i had red eared sliders already. this took place on 3-8-12.

i called the vet the following day explaining the visible injuries and what history i knew. vet said to treat with an antibiotic water in case of internal injuries, apply ointment (neosporin) to exterior damage, and syringe feed regular meat and veggie baby food (using chicken and gravy on occasion, but takes more to the apple and mango).

from day one little Julius Caesar (as i've come to call the hatchling) was really weak, only ate when coaxed 1xpd, and did nothing but bask in the uvb/heatlamps. he was too weak to pick himself up, and was really lethargic.
at day 10, his scabs over his damaged eye have fallen off naturally, he swims for short 1-2mins 3xpd when made to (i place him in the water and he swims in circles until he finds the ramp back to the basking area), and eats 2-3xpd (only when coaxed), and interacts with my other hatchling (basking next to/on top of each other...or rather older hatchling uses him as stool). he's able to pick himself up and move around, but not very far as he still gets worn out easily.

now my problem is the black spots from where the weed whacker hit his shell haven't gone away. where it peeled the scutes off has regrown, but still has black spots, the red spot on his plaston under his right leg hasn't gotten any better or worse (don't have a visible photo of it but can try for one tomorrow during feeding), and the black spot from where he was hit in the nose by the weed whacker is still there too.
any advice on what the spots could be and how i can treat it as the ointment apparently isn't working on them and i can't afford the vet bill for another few weeks?

How big is your turtle? 1.5"
How long have you had it? 10 days

What is the water temperature? 75-78f
Did you use a thermometer? in water and over basking area
Are you using a water heater? yes. preset to 78; one on each side of the tank
How much water is in there? 49gals of water, sectioned off with a divider between hatchlings and larger slider. hatchlings have 1/3 of tank space
Are you using a water conditioner? yes
Are you using any filtration? undergravel and tetrafauna waterfall

What is the basking temperature? day 85, night 77f
Is there a basking light? yes (ceramic heat emitter)
Is there a basking platform that is easy to climb on? floating dock with ramp
What kind is it or what is it made out of? zoo med mini
Is there a UVB light? 2. one in hood over back half of tank. one in clamp desk lamp over hatchling basking area.

What have you been trying to feed it? vet recommended human baby food. won't take it by syringe but when i put turtle in shallow water and inject baby food into water with fluckers calcium supplement hatchling will drink the water. prefers apple and mango flavour over chicken with gravy.
When was the last time your turtle ate? 11:30pm 3/17/12

How big is the tank/pond/enclosure? 1/3 of a 55gal
Is the tank near a window? no
Is the tank in a room with a lot of activity? no

Have you read the Basic Care section? yes
Have you searched the forums for similar situations? not thoroughly

Is there any other unusual activity/symptoms? still shows no interest in pellets, live/freedried food. other then that, is gaining in strength and otherwise seems healthy. has become more curious about surroundings and will walk around more when on desk for feeding time with frequent breaks. doesn't gasp for air more then normal (based on watching other two pet sliders).
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3-18 nose damage (can still breathe out it, but idky the black spot hasn't gone away)
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just after bring him home. what a wrecked little guy
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:53 am   Re: Weedwhacker victim

Glad you rescued him but I'm not sure why you're keeping him with other turtles.

The black areas are either heavily bruised or necrotic. Since Julius is only a hatchling, I would worry about those areas becoming infected. He really needs to a see a qualified vet, or rehabber/rescue. You can explain the situation and they'll try to help you out. It's probable he needs antibiotics at this point.
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:56 am   Re: Weedwhacker victim

wow. sad story.

good luck with everything...
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:05 pm   Re: Weedwhacker victim

Steve,
he was in quarantine for a week with antibiotic water used as directed by the vet.
i also spoke with a turtle rescue that had experience with trauma patients. they said exactly what the vet said.
i know i need to take him back to the vet, just money is a tight issue for a few more weeks.
until then, i'm seeking other herp-enthusiasts thoughts on an at-home or over the counter remedy to keep it from getting any worse until i can get him to the vet.
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:08 pm   Re: Weedwhacker victim

also, the black spots aren't getting any worse, but they aren't going away either.
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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:58 pm   Re: Weedwhacker victim

I would still keep him in quarantine. You need to make a decision... If you can house three turtles. surrendering him to a rescue or vet would allow them to treat then release him.

As for those black areas, if they are necrotic then you might have a hard time seeing whats going on. Does it have any odor? Hopefully it'll scab over, but I've never seen it that dark before.
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Post Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:07 am   Re: Weedwhacker victim

there's no odor.
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:35 pm   Re: Weedwhacker victim

How's he doing now?
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Post Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:15 am   Re: Weedwhacker victim

i took him to the vet who said he was "too small to be treated" but suggested to do a betadine wash 2-3 times a day followed by some tenactine cream for 2 weeks.
i followed instructions and the shell rot has seemed to stop. idk how to tell if it's cured or not. will the black go away?
i've been researching and have found a herp specialist and hobbyist in my area that says he can treat all turtles and has have several successes with even the ones as big as his finger nail (which he has a decent sized finger nail); he can treat little julius with shots. since the shell rot seems to be okay i didn't feel the need to take him in. he was eating, getting stronger and more active, his shell was hardening, etc. but the last two weeks he hasn't really been eating, has been basking more then usual, i went to pick him up and his shell feels so soft! i'm taking him in on my next day off after my paycheck and going to see if the vet will adopt him since he can tube feed him. i feel julius at this point needs shots and tube feeding since he won't take the food on his own anymore. he's been surviving on vitamin water alone for 2 weeks. :(
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Post Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:29 am   Re: Weedwhacker victim

oh yeah, he's also been set up in his own little 10g with 3" of water and 20gal pump to filter the water; there's anacharis and amazon sword. it has the same basking dock with a suction cup ceramic leaf that was sold at the petstore as a food dish but he likes to climb on it to bask too. there's a broad spectrum uv clamp lamp and a heat lamp. i keep the heat lamp on 24/7 over half the basking area so there's constant warm and hot sides for him to switch around as needed. there's a self adjusting water heater that keeps the water at a constant between 78 and 82F (depending how hot it gets in the house during the day). the heat lamp basking area is kept between 92 and 95F depending on the air conditioner.
i also take him outside once a week in a small kiddy pool with 1" of water on one side now that it's warmer for him to enjoy the sun (under full supervision of course!)
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Post Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:03 am   Re: Weedwhacker victim

What's a "broad spectrum uv clamp lamp"? Sorry to hear about the troubles :(
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Post Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 12:57 pm   Re: Weedwhacker victim

broad spectrum uv lamp bulb in a flukers clamp lamp. you know the one with uva and b in the reptile department.
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Post Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:57 pm   Re: Weedwhacker victim

OK, it's just that you need to be certain that it says UVB. Sometimes they'll say broad or full spectrum and it won't have any UVB. Will you be able to take him out more than once a week? Basking in the sun is very beneficial.
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Post Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:15 pm   Re: Weedwhacker victim

i try to take them out more then once a week, but it's hard with my schedule.
the lamp is uvb, it's reptisun or something like that. one of the really expensive ones from petco.

julius died last friday. thought i should update that. i was scheduled to take him to the vet monday to see if they'll take him for tube feeding and observation. RIP little julius. :(
it's sudden but i kind of expected it. he finally ate again twice thursday and once friday morning. friday evening he was found deceased.
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Post Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:13 am   Re: Weedwhacker victim

I'm sorry to hear it :(
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