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Post Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:28 pm   Shell rot or fungus?

Hello. I am new here and have a question about possible shell rot or something with my red eared slider, One-Eyed Willy. First let me answer all these questions:
How big is your turtle? 4-5 inches
How long have you had it? living in a pond all summer, now in a tank for the winter (i live in NY, so it gets cold) for about two weeks now. no idea how old he is, but i believe he's at least a few years.

What is the water temperature? 78 degrees
Did you use a thermometer? yes, there is always a thermometer in the water
Are you using a water heater? yes (tetra aquatic reptile heater)
How much water is in there? its about 2/3 full
Are you using a water conditioner? yes
Are you using any filtration? yes (large reptofilter for 55 gallon tank, turtle is in a 40 gallon breeder)

What is the basking temperature? 90-95 degrees
Is there a basking light? yes 100 watt about 12 inches above basking dock
Is there a basking platform that is easy to climb on? yes
What kind is it or what is it made out of? zoo med floating dock
Is there a UVB light? yes 5.0

What have you been trying to feed it? he eats reptomin, shredded carrot, and zoomed canned shrimp, every other day, and ive been trying to get him to eat red leaf lettuce but so far he wont touch it
When was the last time your turtle ate? today

How big is the tank/pond/enclosure? 40 gallon breeder now, 2,000 gallon pond over this past summer
Is the tank near a window? no
Is the tank in a room with a lot of activity? i go in there a few times a day, its my bedroom and i also have two ferrets in there to take care of

Have you read the Basic Care section? yes
Have you searched the forums for similar situations? a little bit

Is there any other unusual activity/symptoms? not at all


ok, now that thats over with, he is my first red eared slider. like i said, we got him in the beginning of the summer, and he was living in our pond in the yard. he had a rock to bask on, and he basked very often. my mom bought him from some crappy pet shop. i have no idea how old he is, but im going to say at least a few years. (he also only has one eye, has since we got him, but its healed. who knows how what happened to the poor thing). since we got him, his shell had one big white spot on it. of course the idiots in the pet shop said its just shedding. it has progressively gotten worse, even though he basked all every day. however, for a couple weeks before we took him in, he didnt bask as much. dont know why, but since we couldnt see where in the pond he was, we couldnt get him.
now his shell is shedding, but its very white-ish looking in a very large area in the center. its not cottony looking, and it has no smell whatsoever. he is acting completely normal. he basks in his tank, i have a heat light and a uvb light. he eats commercial food, some carrots and some shrimp, but wont eat any greens. he also has a cuttlebone for calcium. here is a picture
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like i said, hes acting fine, seems completely healthy, eating normal, basking normally, in less than two weeks ive already done a complete water change and of course i used water conditioner. i thought it might be shell rot, but it doesnt have any smell. ive been using a sulfadip anyway just in case, ive used it for the past two days so far. so any idea what it could be? (i know it looks really bad, but its not because of anything we've done from what i can tell, i dont know how or where he was living before we bought him. Anyway, any ideas, or help or advice would be appreciated. thanks!
and heres a pic of his tank setup right now:
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and here he is!:
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:31 pm   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

Hi, welcome to the site! I've very hard to tell what it is, it does look like fungus when wet. Can you post a pic of the area when it's dry?
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:08 pm   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

sure. here is a picture of it dry:
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and i was having trouble getting a good picture of his plastron but this is the best i could get:
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he is also shedding the scutes that dont seem to be affected. i feel really bad that im not sure what it is or how to fix it or even how severe it might be. he's soaking in the sulfadip right now, this is day 3 so far. i cant tell if its getting better, but after the last two days, whatever it is appears to be turning whiter. i also read that silver sulfadiazine cream could work, which i actually have right now because my vet gave it to me to heal an incision on my ferret after a recent surgery he had. i figured id try the sulfa dip first though. if it seems really serious or if it seems like its affecting his behavior, i will try to bring him to the vet (my ferrets' vet is also a reptile vet) but at the moment, i dont really have the money so if its not completely necessary, id rather try to heal it myself.
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:28 pm   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

It's hard to tell with these pics... it doesn't look like the typical fungus or shell rot we've seen around here. It's possibly a bacterial infection, going through the top layer of scutes. Those are usually cleared up after the first good shed and with a clean habitat. I'm hesitant to draw that conclusion just from these pics. If the affected layer is very thin and the shell is healthy underneath, then you might not need to do anything more than you already are -- though try the silver sulfadiazine cream, it's that good. If your vet has a good reputation with other turtle keepers, I would seek out his advice/diagnosis.
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:15 pm   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

to use the cream, would i just clean off his shell, put the cream on and dry dock him for a couple of hours? should i put a heat lamp on him while he's out of the water? and im assuming i should clean all the cream off before returning him to his tank? if it doesnt start clearing up soon, ill take him to the vet. the vet i use for my ferrets is an exotic specialist (shes expensive, but shes really great and i really trust her) but ill try a few more days of the dip, then i'll try the cream. it doesnt look like its down to the bone or bloody or anything, and if he seemed uncomfortable id take him right to the vet. but i will try treating it. thank you!
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:27 pm   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

Make sure he is dry before you put the cream on and apply a thin layer. I would leave it on overnight.

Taking a closer look, it does seem like shell rot :(
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:10 pm   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

do you think that it could be shell rot thats already healing? because it really has absolutely no smell at all and it doesnt feel soft or anything like that. how long should i use the cream for? like i said i will continue the dip for a few more days and if it doesnt seem like its working at all, i'll try the cream. thanks again
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Post Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:46 am   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

I have no idea what it could be or in what state it is in. Has there been any improvement?
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:31 am   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

havent been here in a while. just wanted to say that i think his shell is improving, its been a few months since i last posted. there is still no smell, but still some white on his shell. it does seem to be clearing up, but verrry very slowly. im guessing its normal for it to take a good amount of time for shell issues to clear up? and is it normal for their plastron to has a pinkish tint? he had white on it in the last picture, that has cleared up. but now its just pink, and not in the "seams" of it at all. I was concerned about septicemia but i did some research and read that if hes acting normal and seems healthy, that its most likely not an infection. is pinkish okay for a RES plastron?
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Post Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:37 am   Re: Shell rot or fungus?

Thanks for the update. A healthy plastron won't show any pink, so it could be an irritation, infection, sensitivity, etc.
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