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Post Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:50 pm   Turtle keeper in Michigan

Hey all, I've had Turtles for 15 years now, one Eastern Painted turtle we call Iggy, he was our first. Another Yellow Belly Slider.

I had a 120 Gallon tank (48x24x24) that I filled about 60% full, some home made floating land, and... well always struggled with filtration , tried a Fluval canister, but it was a struggle to get it to pump up and over the top, then back down to the water level. Most reliable was a Aquaclear 70 that I hung on the inside of the tank in a home made plexiglass box. I ran this setup for 14 years.

This past year, I had a guy custom build me a tank, it's basically 120 gallon size, but one end has glass that is only 16.5" tall, rather then 24". This allows me to easily use a canister, without having to pump up over the 8" above the water on a normal 120 gallon tank. Or I can and currently do hang a good old Aquaclear 70 on the outside. So, right now my filtration consists of a Eheim Classic 600 (aka 2217) and a Aquaclear 70. I have another Eheim 600, but as of yet haven't added it, I mostly bought it as back up/parts, but may eventually run two of them.

My custom tank cost me around $600, which was more then I originally intended to pay, but... well cheaper ones had thinner glass and/or weren't custom at all. In the end, I really wanted the 1/2" glass and the custom configuration, figured the extra cash was worth it, especially figuring, I should easily get another 14 years of life from it, like I got with my original 120 gallon tank.

One of the few things I haven't managed to figure out yet, is how to grow my own plants, the turtles just tear them up and/or eat them faster then I can deal with. I've been trying to run a separate tank, in attempt to grow plants fast enough that I can at least occasionally sacrifice some into the turtle tank.
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Post Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:16 pm   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

I've been wanting to start to grow some plants for my turt lately too. Would also love to see some pics of you setup! :)
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:43 am   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

Welcome to the forum! I think if the filter is primed, it can over 8"... maybe that depends on the model of filter. What kind of plants have you tried?
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:42 am   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

Here's a picture of my two Turtles... Rocky is the big one (13 years old), Iggy is the smaller one and is 16 years old

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:12 am   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

I'll try to get some good pictures of the whole tank setup soon...


I did at one time get a Fluval canister to work, pumping the water up and over the 6 to 8 inches above the waterline, however it seemed like a constant battle to keep air from being sucked in. Between the quick release hoses, and the primer pump not really working all that well, we eventually gave up on the canister after the impeller broke years ago. Bottom line is yes, it did work, but it's not a ideal situation to have to pump up and over that high. Part of giving up on it, was that it was just kind of a pain to keep the filter media cleaned and such. That old Fluval , had like 4 different baskets in it, each could have it's own media, then there was another longer filter that went into the side... In theory, having the baskets make cleaning easier.

However, after owning the Eheim Classic for about 3 months now, I personally find it much easier to maintain then the old Fluval I had. I bought some mesh bags from Foster & Smith and I put all the Eheim substrate in one bag, then just pull that out. I also have put some Ammo-Carb in another mesh bag, I just leave the course ceramic media at the bottom by itself (no bag) and dump it out into a strainer during cleaning. I had wanted to buy a Eheim Classic long ago, but after reading on internet forms about how the newer canisters were easier to maintain, since they have their own media boxes and such, I'd choose to go with that old Fluval, but now... after personal experience with the Eheim Classic, I wish I'd just bought one 14 years ago. They are so simple, way fewer parts and pieces... But then, if I had been trying to pump up and over 8 inches above the water line, maybe I wouldn't like it as much. I know one of the complaints about the classic, is that they don't have a priming pump, but I haven't found that to be a real issue, it's pretty easy to get the siphon going, and once you've achieved that your all set.
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:17 am   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

Plants... anacharis always seem to grow about as quick as anything, but apparently it's illegal to sell now in Michigan. I tried a couple other plants, but nothing else grows nearly as fast as anacharis, at least nothing else I've found.
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Post Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:26 am   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

This tank was made by a company near Saginaw Michigan, their name is Aquatic America. The make some smaller reptile tanks on a regular basis, but this tank here, was made at my request, purchased through a local fish store. Aquatic America does not do direct sales, you have to buy from a retailer that does business with Aquatic America. I did talk with the owner/fabricator directly about my needs, he was very helpful, however again, they typically don't really deal with consumers directly and will not sell directly.

I had gone through several ideas before I settled on the tank I got. I had considered having a external sump filter along with over flows, holes drilled in the tank, and all that kind of associated plumbing and such, however I decided that for me, having all that stuff was going to be more then I wanted to deal with. I considered MANY ways to best build a tank, in a way that would work well for me... for a variety of reasons I wound up going with what I have.

The tank is basically a 120 gallon tank, with half inch glass (not tempered). One of the end panels is 16.5 inches high rather then the full 24 inches you'd have on a standard 120 gallon tank. In theory the tank could be made with thinner glass, however I've had my large turtle bang into the side of my tank on many occasions, and the thought of him breaking thinner glass and 80 gallons of dirty turtle tank water and glass all over my hardwood floor was too much to bare. I insisted on 1/2 glass, figuring it was cheap insurance .

My long term intentions, are to build a wooden stand next to this short end of the tank, building a dry land area on the outside of the tank, with a ramp that goes into the tank and down into the water. In this stand , I will put canister filters, the plumbing will go to the sides of the ramp and ideally, look very nice. However, at this time, I don't have time to make this. So, what you see in the photos bellow , is intended to be temporary, but actually works just fine as it is.

The 'land' you see in the tank, is a custom built thing I made 14 years ago, it's made with Fiberglass that's been wrapped around a styrofoam core, astro turf glued onto the ramp. This is a floating island, it easily supports the weight of both my turtles, could probably hold even one more full sized turtle if I had one. This island took me many hours to make but has survived for 14 years now, and still works. Being it floats, i don't really care if the water level changes a bit from time to time. In my old tank, I let the island flow freely, but with my new setup, I decided to 'tie' it to the tank a little, to keep it from banging into the glass when a scared turtle scurries off and into the water. Even though in my old tank, this never caused any problems, I just decided I'd rather secure it a little in my new tank. Again, I eventually intend to abandon this floating island and build dry land for my turtles on the outside/end of my new tank.

So, the reason I chose 16.5 inches of max water depth, really has to do with my desire to build the land off to the side. The tank builder thought it would be best to have the 'frame' around the top, and I want my turtles to easily climb from the land and into the tank, to do this, they will have to walk under that frame. So, I needed at least 6 inches of clearance between the frame and the to of the side glass.

I had considered just doing a above the tank basking area over a standard 120 gallon tank... however, I decided, I didn't have time to build such a structure. My old 120 gallon tank that I had for 14 years, wasn't in good condition, so It was time to replace it.

What I haven't told you, is that my turtles and myself , had to move out of my home for over 7 months last winter. I had a pipe freeze at my house in early December , that resulted Major water damage which took the remainder of the winter to fix. My turtles went to my parents house and lived in their basement... My wife , my daughter, and myself lived in a hotel until Memorial Day of this year(May 26th) . When we moved back home, there were thousands of little things that needed to be done, turtle habitat was not at the top of my list of things to fix/build. In fact there was a time, when I thought I was going to have to find someone to adopt my turtles permanently , as I didn't know if I had the will or time to get them a new place to stay in my home. I lost many nights of sleep, just thinking about all this and what to do. In the end, I bought this tank for just over $500 and set it up as you see in the photos. My turtles continue to be a part of my family... but for a while, I wasn't sure they would be.

Note to anyone thinking of buying a turtle or keeping one... They can be wonderful pets... but they are a lot of work.

Ok, excuse my dirty water... needs to changed... But here are a couple shots that show my tank setup as it is right now.

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:10 am   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

Priming is the only tricky part, not sure how air is getting in. The would affect a canister no matter how it's setup. I used to have a Fluval 304… I'm not a big fan of their design either.

The tank looks very nice. It is in the "Turtle Tank" style. My brother made my tank, it doesn't use any tempered glass. I might be wrong, but I think only the bottom panes are tempered in standard aquariums.
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Post Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:13 am   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

I think that these days most commercial style tanks use mostly tempered glass. From what I understand, the main reason they use it, is it allows them to use thinner glass. The tank builder that built mine, told me he basically never uses tempered, he claimed that your better off without it, as it potentially can crack and still not have a catastrophic failure. Apparently tempered glass will shatter in a million pieces and never have any chance at all of holding water if it does ever suffer a failure of any kind. I honestly don't know if any of that's true or not, other then that's what he told me.

Now, I do know that the same company built my old 120 gallon tank, and it survived 14 years. My old tank still held water, but it was looking pretty ragged with scratches and hard water build up around the water line, but worse yet, the silicone was starting to look really worn. I had started trying to clean it up, before I got even thinking of a new tank, and after I got a few hours into cleaning it, I began thinking that I was really unsure just how much longer I could trust the tank , and I didn't really want to put a lot more hard work into something I was uncertain about. I wound up giving my old tank to the place I bought the new one, I really didn't want to try and dispose of it myself, and thought someone might be able to use it for something.
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Post Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:32 am   Re: Turtle keeper in Michigan

I agree with your builder. Tempered glass shattering is a safety feature for people. One bang and it's a disaster for an aquarium. I think regular glass is *slightly* more flexible too. If it's a commercial tank, they might just go with acrylic. My 125 gallon tank is going strong for about 10 or 12 years. I did reseal the silicone a couple of years ago, it was mostly due to the turtle nipping at it. It is not easy to do but you don't have to take it apart.... there is still a lot of prep work though.
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