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Post Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:22 pm   Hi hi from a soon to be RES mommy!

Well, I will start by saying that I have no personal experience with raising turtles, or any kind of reptile for that matter. That being said, I'm quite thorough in planning and reading, and I've read a lot of the material here, plus Wikipedia, and consulted my ex, a one time RES mommy herself. :mrgreen: Sadly, she had to give them up for adoption when the female became far too big to keep as a student in a dorm (she didn't know what she was getting into when she bought them, like most people).

For the turtles, I'm probably going to acquire them from Chinatown, and I'll just need to do my best to guess at which ones are healthy. Preferably, I'd like to get a male and female to prevent territorial issues, and allow mating when they're ready, though I'm open to suggestions otherwise. I want two so they can keep each other company, insofar as turtles will anyway. Because they'll be very small and young, I would appreciate any advice in determining sex and age.

(By the way, I know the ethics of getting the turtles from the streets in Chinatown and around NYC. Unfortunately, I also know that by refusing to buy them, it won't stop them from being sold, so I'd rather try to rescue a few and help to keep them from worse fates. As noted here, pet stores don't necessarily know any better themselves, so their care is not assured to be any better there.)

I'm planning to get a 40 gallon tank, just for plenty of room to grow and play in. I don't exactly understand the recommendations on the tank section of the information part of the site, so if anyone has recommendations for the best form factor, I'm open to suggestions. I like the ideas I've seen here in terms of using pipe to elevate the sunning surface, and thus creating more space for the turtles to swim. Is copper pipe acceptable to build these platforms from, too? I like the idea because the pipe would naturally green, and it will blend more into the tank. If not, PVC it is - just advise me what to do and what not to do so that I don't put toxic materials in by mistake.

I need some other suggestions as well. I'd like to have some plants in the tank, ones that they can feed off of so things are a bit more natural for them. I'd also like to know what kind of fish best serve to accompany the turtles? I don't care if the turtles eat them, if that's ok in your opinions, again, more entertainment and natural behavior. The "best" kind of fish, regardless, is what I'd like to know. I am also thinking about putting down just one layer of relatively large river rocks (something they could never eat, but can move and burrow through if they like). Do you think it's better to do that, or just leave it empty (and yes, I know this is sort of a preference item, I just want to hear your feedback). Finally, what about snails to help in cleaning the tank? Yes, I know they can multiply like tribbles. :lol:

Aside from that, can anyone recommend specific pump models and light options? Anything else I'm forgetting?

Otherwise, I know the basics, I have a surface planned for the aquarium which will hold the weight of 400+ lbs. I will be using some type of screened top, clamped down to prevent cat-like interference, and escape artistry. The tank area will be out of the way from direct sunlight, and though it'll be in the living room, it is actually the quietest room of the apartment, and least used. I will also be making a fake background screen to put up to give them privacy from time to time.

Thanks, everyone! I know it's a lot of questioning considering I don't even have them, but I want to make sure things are perfect and homey for them before they ever get here. I appreciate your help, and so will they!

- Katie
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:27 pm   Re: Hi hi from a soon to be RES mommy!

Welcome to the site! Please don't get them from Chinatown. Rationalizing them as rescues is not as hard as turning away from them and reporting them to the authorities. Check out Turtle Rescues LI if you want to help turtles that have been less than fortunate.

Anyway, you won't know their genders until they are about 4" long and if one of them is a male, you will need a large tank to divide or have separate ones. I'm not sure about using any type of metal pipe for their basking area, PVC is much easier and cheaper to use. I'd recommend sand as a substrate, it seems to work better than most types. As for plants and other tankmates, I'll leave the for the rest of the forum to discuss. :)
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:43 pm   Re: Hi hi from a soon to be RES mommy!

Thanks, Steve!

Will they be happy as a single turtle? I know I'm perhaps projecting on them, but most other animals seem to enjoy company. If they'll be happy alone, I'd be fine with just taking one, so they'll have room to grow and won't have to worry about dominance issues and the like.

Unfortunately, I once saw some being sold on a rather cool day in October in Brooklyn on the street in those tiny little plastic containers. I told the guy how bad the whole situation was for them, and recommendations to keep them healthier, and he seemed to listen, but kept right on going. I passed some cops a block down, told them about him, and they just went back to chatting with each other. The authorities are far less concerned than I'd hope.

Still, I'd be happy to check out TRLI, I admit I didn't really think of that - the only thing is, because I'm starting off with a "somewhat" small tank, I would like to raise them from as young and small as possible so that they get used to me and accept me handling them. Is this an issue, or am I being too worrisome again? I'm sort of set on RES, but I am ok with other species that might stay smaller, too, or something, if you think there's a neglected option that might be more suited.

As to other issues, I am looking at the Filstar XP3, which seems to be all the pump and filter you could ever want for up to a 60 gallon, so at least that seems like a set option. I'll also take your recommendation and stick with the PVC, just for safety's sake. Why buck tradition, after all? I was hoping to avoid sand, just because of concerns about cleaning it, but if you have more input as to why to use that, I'm happy to listen.
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:04 pm   Re: Hi hi from a soon to be RES mommy!

They're fine alone. While it's fun to have a few hatchlings grow up together, most people cannot deal with having multiple setups. You can file a 311 Illegal Animal Complaint here: http://www.nyc.gov/apps/311/allServices ... DAE110FEB8

RES can be very social towards people, I don't think handling as hatchlings will change things as much. The XP3 is fine for a 40 gallon tank. Also look into the Turtle Ramp basking platform for something you don't have to make.
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:14 pm   Re: Hi hi from a soon to be RES mommy!

The only reason I want to make the platform is because I want to have detailed control over it, and put a non-standard rock in it, something to add some visual interest and fun. Well, that, and I'm something of a DIY'er for fun anyway. I'm still weighing my options, anyway. Like I said, I'd like to get everything in place first, and perhaps, even get the tank set up for a little bit before getting the turtle so that the water can be "healthy" and get started towards growing bacterial colonies.

Once I get my hands on the tank and the XP3, I'll build the platform (for size concerns), and then take give TRLI a call to see what they have available for adoption. :)
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:03 pm   Re: Hi hi from a soon to be RES mommy!

Wow! you certainly sound determined.
I must say I admire the research you are doing. If everyone did the same, well..
I'm responding the thread in general
Please don't opt for a male a female solely for the purpose of mating. The RES population is so over-saturated already. Unless you plan on raising each hatchling that are the result of mating, they very well could end up in the same situation you are trying so hard to help.

You ask a lot of great questions. Check out the different forums for the best responses - it seems like members have an area of they site they are comfortable/knowledgeable in, so you will get more feedback if you post in a forum most relevant to your question.

My gal, and many others, live super happy lives alone. Give love and attention to an "only child" and they will be happy as can be.

You can get feedback on general care in this forum: viewforum.php?f=5
A ton of info about habit here: viewforum.php?f=6
and there is always the good ol' standby that I love so much: the search field located at the upper right of the page. Type in a keyword and you will see posts and info galore!

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:30 am   Re: Hi hi from a soon to be RES mommy!

Thanks, Penelope! :D

I like it when people understand my concerns and realize I want to do the best and right thing. I guess my concern came from getting my cats. I realize how much they needed, but I also realized how much I didn't know about them when I first got them. I love the little buggers, though, even if I'm allergic and sometimes (often) annoyed by their behavior and destructive tendencies. Still, great little friends, and they love me, too.

Yes, knowing that they don't require companionship is helpful, and a few people have been good enough to point that out to me. I think I might still take a pair of turtles, but in talking to others here and at TRLI, I've come to the conclusion that I might be able to get some existing tank mate males. This accomplishes companionship while establishing that they won't fight much, and it gives two adopted turtles a loving and proper home. Eventually, I hope to be able to give them a "real" home such as a very big tank, or else better yet, an outdoor pond (at least for the warmer months). For now, turtle walks in the park should be a good start, along with a big enough tank to make them happy.

I think I have most of my questions for the moment answered, unless anyone in the NYC area has a 40 or 55-60 gallon tank they don't need (I'm willing to pay around $50 for a tank and stand if used). If they just "want to get rid of it," I'd be happy to add that money to the donation I'm planning to make to TRLI when I get my babies (even if they're not actually babies!). I'm also keeping my eye open for a used XP3, too, so let me know if anyone can help. :)
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