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Post Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:58 am   Ambitious idea?

Hi all, I may be getting a FGT (fibre glass tank) in the near future and I was thinking of keeping both terrapins as well as fishes and stingrays in the same setup. Was just wondering if anyone here has done that before or has seen a suitable setup for it. I'm imagining a basking area for the sliders to climb up etc. Ideas/opinions?
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:13 pm   Re: Ambitious idea?

I keep three turtles with 18 fish, and haven't had any problems...

However you need to be proactive with your fish choices.

1) Pay attention to the fish and where they swim mostly - anything that stays towards the top third of the tank will always bee within the vision of turtles, thus constant reminder of being food
2) How fast they swim - no matter where they swim, or how many hides you have - if your fish is slow, your fish is chow
3) How agressive they are (individual or schools) - if the fish is somewhat agressive, it will defend itself from the fish. If the school is agressive the group as a whole while defend each.
4) What are their temperature ranges - do they live in similar climate as your turtles
5) What is your waters pH - this one is big, most things you add to decorate a turtle tank (plus turtle waste) increases the pH of the water, and not many fish enjoy high pH
6) Nocturnal or Durinal - Turtles are Durinal, so you don't want fish that will be asleep during this time ;)
7) Eating habits - Sinking fish food, will not bring the fish to the surface - thus making them targets... but not all fish eat this type of food.

Now with tank set up:
Give your fish a lot of low spaces to hide. Your turtle can get down and under then up into things, but if its low with little for the turtle to get under, it generally won't providing safe hide for our fish. But don't go overboard - turtles need a lot of room to swim ;) Also fish require a certain amount of moving water (keeping it aerated and "fresh" for em), however turtles like a bit calmer waters.

As you can see - its a balancing act when it comes to the tank :P

My tank is a 175 gallon, includes:
two 4" and a 2.5" turtle
three sailfin plecos
three rainbow sharks
six rosey barbs
six odessa barbs
I also throw in a handful of ghost shrimps from time to time - they are cheap help clean the tank, and always end up with food.

Equipment wise:
1 125 gallon internal turtle filter - not really used for filtration, I have it by the plants to keep them "moving"
1 150 gallon hanging filter - again not really used for filtration, I use it to break up surface tension in the water so I don't get a oily look
1 450 gallon eheim internal filter - the beast that does all the work (and doubles as an alternate above water platform
1 magnetic large dock (this is temporary until I make one myself)
then the proper lighting.

The reason I piked my fish are:
Sailfin Plecos - they get large, and are excellent bottom cleaners, that control algae blooms when they happen (they will with all the bio load ;))
Rainbow Sharks - get biggish (6-8") are agressive, are low water feeders that will bottom feed, but also feed anything that is down there (ghost shrimp, small fry, etc)
Barbs - Fast, agile, and reproduce almost every time you do a water change ;) I have yet had many reach adult, but its good natural food for the turtles ;)

In ending - having fish with turtles will make your tank look much more interesting and "natural" to look at - however be prepared for the challenges and added issues it brings.

I can answer any questions that come to mind (if able I am of course)
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:13 pm   Re: Ambitious idea?

Hey Simon, did you ever post pics of your setup?
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Post Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:32 pm   Re: Ambitious idea?

I haven't yet - I just moved the tank (got a new stand) and am waiting for everything to settle back down. I should probably put up a series of pics in the next few days.
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:34 am   Re: Ambitious idea?

Wow.. thanks.. that's a lot of useful information. I guess one of my biggest concerns is how to make the basking platform and also the current/flow rate.. will the turtles tire themselves out?
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:41 pm   Re: Ambitious idea?

Depends - do you have adjustable outflow from any of your filters? If so you can just adjust it so it is pointing towards the walls - this will diffuse the water movement so its not pushing your turtles around but its still moving alot of water.

As for the dock - I am using the magnetic kind temporarily and its working out fine - it is something like $20
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:45 am   Re: Ambitious idea?

Hmm.. if I use my existing cannister filters then it does not have an adjustable flow rate..

Is the magnetic kind strong enough to support the weight of the turtle? Or rather, how much weight can it support?
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:51 am   Re: Ambitious idea?

Mine is a large and can support all three of my lil ones easily.

As for the filter - it doesnt need the adjustable flow - just and adjustable output (ie don't blast it into the middle of prime swim area so that your turtle gets sent for a wild ride ;))
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:26 am   Re: Ambitious idea?

yeah.. might need to add an adjustable output.

I have 2 Eheim 2260s running on my tank now. Not sure I'll be using it for my FGT (if I get it). Might get a pond filter. Recommendations? Are OHFs better? Or cannisters?
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:38 am   Re: Ambitious idea?

Well... your two eheims should do the trick very nicely :P And when you get your tank you can add a piece that diffuses the output (its easy enough to add)
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:47 am   Re: Ambitious idea?

Haha.. thanks.. if I get the tank.. lots of stuff need to take place before that happens.
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:54 pm   Re: Ambitious idea?

Better to find out now - then to try an piece it together on a limited budget during
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:31 am   Re: Ambitious idea?

I guess.. my target is a FGT with dimensions of at least 8 x 4 x 3 ft. Put the basking area at the side. Fill up the tank so the fishes have lots of space to swim
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:34 pm   Re: Ambitious idea?

Thats quite the dimensions - would talk up almost any room in my apartment :P
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:18 pm   Re: Ambitious idea?

haha.. that depends on my new place.. if/when I find it.. :(
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